Quote: Carl Jung.. I know God exists

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Comment by Lee Lawrence on February 17, 2013 at 1:51pm

Excellent quote:  "I don't believe--I know."  No "professions of faith" will ever substitute for the direct experience of this source that had to be "acculturated"

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Comment by William John Meegan on March 3, 2014 at 2:35pm

Edinger was a bit premature in his statement

"he (Jung) discovered in his patients and in himself the reality of the psyche and the phenomenology of its manifestations at a depth never before observed systematically."

Antiquity had already known what CG Jung rediscovered and not to admit that is to fall right back into the same old same old of academic snobbery and superiority. 

This direct experience you speak of, I personally experience in June 1978 and it literally cleanses the soul/psyche of its past faults and redirects the psyche with another raison d’être An example of this would be an alcoholic sobering up and beginning life anew; however, I believe there are degrees in what this Transcendent Function produces.  There is an experience where no more than a nanosecond transpires, which literally takes over the life of the mystic to where it is no longer his or her life and is ceased by the archetype of the divine to do its will.  The alcoholic sobering up rarely has the peak experience upon sobering up as Bill Wilson had; however, if the recovering alcoholic continues in his or her quest to know God and him or herself he or she will eventually have other psychic experiences, which lead to the peak experience.  It is DESIRE and sincerity that will determine the course of future psychic experiences.  It is action (study and hard work) not lip-service, which determines the course of these psychic experiences.  And it is such a vision that will make a believer out of the most diehard atheist.

I should state here that it is usually in the beginning of one's quest that one has this peak experience; though, other psychic experiences of a minor nature may have already transpired over previous years. The key point here is that years of knowledge is not a prerequisite for having such an experience.  It is DESIRE and sincerity that are the keys to psychic maturation.

Comment by William John Meegan on March 4, 2014 at 5:56pm

Your posts are gifts.  There is no destination for he that rest descends.  The journey is to recognized the divine is all creation: recognize all as an analogy to the psyche interacting with the divine.

Yes, I know that I was graced not to be destroyed by the dynamic psychic forces (whom the gods would destroy they first made mad) in my early years though if it was not for CG Jung writings I would not have known what to do in later years as I experienced other psychic eruptions. 

I like Edinger's works and I was not referring to him in my quip over academic snobbery. 

CG Jung did bring the science of the ancients somewhat to the fore on a scientific basis; however, he could not have known of the highly sophisticated esoteric science that is codified to ancient literature.  Jung's work is an extremely well presented commentary on the ancient system that completely explored the psyche and what Jung called the Transcendent Function; however, the esoteric science goes one step further than Jung and that step is across a vast chasm that Jung never ventured to bridge.  In fact he did not even know it existed. 

The esoteric science I speak of is that chasm (that bridge). If you know the this science actually exist in ancient literature and you actually understanding the grammatical and arithmetical data codified esoterically to the texts you would be completely flabbergasted to the point YOU WOULD LITERALLY BELIEVE YOU WERE THE ONLY SANE MAN ALIVE.  Everybody has drunk the cool-aid but you.  It is like discovering a civilization on earth whom technology is ten thousand years ahead of the rest of the world.

Everybody around you knows nothing of it and yet everybody has a copy of that knowledge in their homes if they would only take the time to study the scriptural text Gematrially: letter by letter, word by word alphanumerically.

You find out quickly enough that the world, as a whole, doesn't want this esoteric science because it is too ego-centric and there is no way of going back upon the track so-to-speak.  The mystic cannot return to blissful ignorance; hence, the main reason for being a hermit or a monk (female = nun).

It may seem that some have it easy. That is not so.  Every mystic claws his way across the desert as thirsty as any other seeker.  It is just that the mystic has more direct experience with God and has received more from Him; however, each new discovery for the mystic is just as difficult as the neophytes first inroads into this knowledge of the divine.

Comment by Lewis Lafontaine on May 15, 2014 at 12:12pm

It may be of interest to note that after Dr. Jung's now famous "I don't believe. I know." comment that due to widespread misunderstanding of his meaning that Dr. Jung wrote a Letter to the Editor of "The Listener" clarifying the intent of his statement which may be read at the link below:


Comment by William John Meegan on May 15, 2014 at 2:40pm

I wish there was a concordance to Jung's writings; because, I do remember reading Jung describing having a kernel of an idea in the first decade of the twentieth century and he spent the next sixty years trying to describe it.  Knowing Jung's adamant penchant for being known as a scientist; rather, than a mystic I can understanding why he would call his vision of God a 'kernel of an idea'.  I do not believe Jung's vision was seeing anthropomorphic being; rather, I think his vision was of an idea, which is something he found he had to unfold like a scroll from heaven.

Jung apparent backtracking in that letter to the editor does not negate his "Freudian Slip' so-to-speak.  He was asked a direct question and he spontaneously answered it.  There is no getting around it.  It is that one statement "I don't believe, I know" that drew me to the writings and teachings of CG Jung.  If he had not said it I would have summarily dismissed him as just another academic beyond my ken.  It is only because of my own experience some three months before I saw the field that he makes this statement in that I was able to grasp what he was talking about.

With a Freudian Slip like that most psychiatrists would have a field day with their patient and wouldn't let him or her backtrack on it but face up to it.  A spontaneous answer is of greater truth than a well thought out answer, as Jung had time to do after the interview.

In modernity as in other times people have always feared to talk about their spiritual visions.  I think we hear much about the saints having such experiences because these vision became so overwhelming that they had to speak to somebody about them.  CG Jung was creative enough that he was able to express himself in his chosen profession.  That is what separated him from many of his insane asylum's patients: he had a venue (psychiatry) to vent his idea, which allowed him to assimilate that KERNEL OF AN IDEA.

The last point I want to make about this is that what ever profession or hobby or obsession and/or addiction that is paramount to the intellect of the individual that receives such a vision it is that venue in which will become his or her dominant goal for life.  Mary Baker Eddy had such a vision after a fatal fall on ice.  Knowing she was about to die she asked for a bible for she studied the bible until she was 45 and after the vision spend the rest of her life founding the Christian Science Church, CG Jung a psychiatrist at the time of his vision ended up founding the school of Analytical Psychology, Bill Wilson a drunk in the hospital detoxing had a vision in his room and he said, "so this is the God of the preachers" and he founded the Alcoholics Anonymous Program, which is worldwide as is Jung's school of Analytical Psychology, as is Mary Baker Eddy's Christian Science Church.  Not everybody that has such a vision becomes known but those that do come forward it would seem that whatever mindset they have at the time of their vision becomes the primary venue to vent that vision.

Comment by Lewis Lafontaine on May 15, 2014 at 2:50pm

I wish there was a concordance to Dr. Jung's work as well but I do not know of one although the current "Kindle" version of his "Collected Works" does allow for more comprehensive searches.

I have been working of a directory of Resource Materials and Organizations and Groups dedicated to Dr. Jung's work which may be found at the 'Carl Jung Depth Psychology Facebook Group."

I lack the computer skills to know how to make the Excel Format available apart from having to go to Facebook.

Any additions or corrections to this Resource Directory will be greatly appreciated.


Comment by William John Meegan on June 4, 2014 at 5:38pm

Scott Baird I recently did an analytical study on Fra Angelico's fresco series on the Annunciation.  I am presently in the process of slightly revising that paper.  I initially got interested in Fra Angelico fresco series because of CG Jung remarks concerning a patient in his work on Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious. Jung was talking about a patient that was looking out a window and invited Jung over to see his vision.  He saw the sun's penis and thought that it was the cause of the wind.  Jung wrote it down in his notes on the patient and forgot about it for four years until he received a work on Mithraic rituals.  In his work Jung say merely that such images of the sun with extended tubes can be found in medieval art relating to the Conception and Mary.

I found Fra Angelico's Annunciation Prado on the Internet, which led me to find an additional three frescoes (four to the series), which has everything to do with the THREE TEMPTATIONS OF CHRIST.  It is an incredible series.  It is obvious from this analysis that I conducted on Fra Angelico's series that he understood Jung's work using different terminology.  It shows the Three Temptation of Christ to be a lifelong struggle.  I will post the link when I finish the revision of the paper.

Comment by William John Meegan on June 5, 2014 at 10:37pm

This link below is linked to my online paper mentioned in my last post concerning Fra Angelico's Annunciation fresco series that mystically teaching what the meaning of the Three Temptations of Christ are all about.


Comment by William John Meegan on June 6, 2014 at 1:48pm

I will be looking forward to reading your work.


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